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includes the right to marry. joining me now for our daily fix, ruth marcus, editorial columnist for the "washington post." we've seen this evolution and clearly, hillary clinton as secretary clinton was forward-leaning as far as spousal benefits, partner benefits at the state department. but this is is a clear an obvious step. what she signaling? >> i think what she's signaling is what we've, the other folks that you've mentioned, is that support for gay marriage is now, pardon the phrase, going to be a litmus test in the democratic party. i'm almost thinking about how secretary clinton, when she was candidate clinton, had to explain why she voted for the war and express her views on the war. candidates are now going to be explaining why they weren't for gay marriage earlier and who would have ever, i'm not criticizing her. i think it's a terrific development. but whoever would have thought that she would have been preempted on this, by rob portman? times have changed. >> times have changed indeed. and rapidly. and this was her endorsement was delivered via the human rights camp
for the daily fix, "washington post" editorial columnist ruth marcus and politico senior reporter jonathan martin, j-mart to all of us who know him. >> how about those hoyas? >> let's not start on the hoyas, thank you, jonathan. >> did somebody rev up jonathan today? >> yes, he starts out like that. jonathan, let's talk about same-sex marriage. i want to talk about the issue it creates for the republican party. which is, you have some people saying look, karl rove. saying our party may move towards this by 2016. there's plenty of people, aka the base of the party who don't think they should ever move that direction. does it divide the party? and where do they wind up? >> i can imagine there's a republican rand paul that would be for gay marriage before 2016, but not many mainstream republicans coming out. i think we're still a few years away from that. it's demographic. a lot of old folks in the republican party that comprise the worker bee base of the gop,thy do the phone calls, they do the envelopes. they are culturally very conservative. very traditional and they're not going to come ar
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